The lie of "Jesus' being 'God', which he never declared of himself, is what has made the world the horror that it is, with the sons of satan manifesting all the power.
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
John 8:31,32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
It is difficult to let go of indoctrination because it feels safe, so we stay in the boat and never learn to walk with Jesus on the waves of the storm. But in the midst of that storm, as we are being tossed to and fro, if we listen, we can hear the voice of the Lord God calling us, to give him our faith and abide in him. I spent 25 years indoctrinated, I was unsure of my salvation and didn't know the Lord. Six years ago my journey began, little by little I let go. In my brokenness when I felt the most unworthy, I felt the Spirit of the Lord set me free from all of the sin that crushed my soul, that kept me in the darkness. The more I sought the Lord, the more he revealed his truth. Now I have unspeakable joy because I have been set free, forgiven and washed in the blood of the risen Christ.God will magnify his Word, IF we will open our hearts and minds to receive it. So many, myself included, have been members of a congregation who didn't study for ourselves, but were content to be taught. No solid foundation to stand on, a very dangerous place to be. Mindless people depending upon their pastors words to save them.
Your expose of truth is magnificent when you have eyes to see. Thank you Victoria for magnifying Jesus Christ, the Son of the Most High GOD.
Pardon my French but holy guacamole! I thought I knew some stuff but not enough because this post is an eye opener! It makes so much sense but I could never have pieced it together until I read this. So was Jesus literally the new Adam but born solely of a woman? Without him nothing was made but he was made first but not by himself? I understand I need to re read all of this several times because it's so out of left field but it's worth the effort because something about it rings true. I am a child of the 20th century and my brain has been washed squeaky clean. There are questions like if he was created does this make him a creature but if he participated in creation what is his status? There is probably a simple answer to the piles of questions that come up because piles of questions equal a distraction. So what is the spoiler - and maybe I just read it - that one simple retort that will disarm the enemy? Very interesting indeed.
Well, as one lady suggested that I was robbing him of his divinity to say he was the 'son of God', I answered that I wasn't robbing him, I was quoting him.
Jesus knew who he was. God's only begotten son. If that doesn't make him divine!?.. He was also the only man GOd ever raised from the dead. Now, if he was God, he couldn't be 'dead', and raise himself. Meaning, just like 'Good Friday - 3 nights and 3 days in the grave, somehow has him get up on Sunday.. Most Christians don't seem to 'think' about what they believe, because they're more worried about currying favor with someone.. even God.
Frankly, I knew this would be a tough swallow for many. I knew it would be a 'deal breaker' for people who would refuse to reexamine their beliefs. The Trinity is a 'holy grail' for many.
So even if a minister KNEW JEsus was not God, they'd hesitate to put it out there. You have BIble ministers that still have 'Easter' on their web sites, and still say 'Merry Christmas' in December.. because they don't want to lose the pew rents.
Fortunately, the lion's share of my salary is paid by God. Though you couldn't PAY me to lie to you.
I am flexible but guarded about accepting anything new unless it’s backed by logic and Biblical reference. I like how you think. The 3 nights and 3 days were explained away by saying that back then people didn’t think strictly in 24 hour days but sort of days - if it occurred at the end of a day it counted as a day. This is what the guys in the bespoke suits were teaching and still are. Thank you for your time and patience and I look forward to hearing more of what you have to say!
There is hardly a tradition in the Catholic Church (and mainstream Christianity) except that it makes the Bible appear to be ridiculous.
The High Sabbath on which JEsus Christ was crucified, was on a Wednesday after Sundown; which is why the bodies were taken off the crosses.
He rose on a Saturday 3 full days and 3 full nights later. There ARE reseachers and even denominations in the world that teach it correctly. But to stick to Jesuit dogma, and established holidays, most churches preach the impossible - that is, to fit 72 hours between Friday night and Sunday morning.
It’s really no different than their claim that Jesus was born on December 25th, which happens to be a high holiday for devils - associated with the birth of the ‘Sun God’. Mainstream Christiandom is a mess because the vast majority of people identifying as ‘Christians’ are no more than the multitudes that swarmed Jesus. When time came to climb a mountain, or hang around after church to get to the true translations of the Lord’s sayings.. the multitudes were gone like fog at noon. (Matthew 13:11,12 & 36 etc)
Same is true to this day. There is nothing new under the sun.
That's a loaded question; but the short answer is 'God is Spirit'. The devil has 'spirits'. The spirit that God gives is 'Holy', like He is holy.
He gave spirit to men throughout the ages, so they'd have a mode of communicating with Him. But spirit had been given conditionally, and could be removed for disobedience. David feared losing his spirit, and pleaded with God (Psalm 51) to not take it from him (as He had from King Saul).
BUT.. and this is a big but, spirit became SEED, only after Christ was glorified. (PS God did not glorify Himself, He glorified His son).
On Pentecost was the first in history outpouring of this holy spirit. Men were BORN of holy spirit. It's not 'salvation', but it follows salvation, and is called the fire baptism.
Spirit is power. (Acts 1:8) When we have holy spirit, we can operate that power, which is why the devil went to great lengths to make Jesus GOD, so that the whole story falls to pieces.
IF Jesus was GOD, he could not have been 'dead', and raised himself. But we all fell for it, since, the longer a lie is repeated, the more people refuse to believe they're believing a lie.
Having holy spirit is what it means to be 'born again', because it is permanent seed born within. Whew... that's all for now!
Indeed yes! Which is how 'Words' (invisible matter) made THINGS - physical matter. And conversely, how THINGS (according to Romans 1:20) make invisible things (spiritual) VISIBLE. Haha.
I have also mused how the first thing Elohim is recorded as 'Saying' in Genesis 1, is 'Let there be light'.. For.. how can He speak EXCEPT LIGHT BE? (The entrance of Thy Words giveth Light).
Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. The exact representation of Almighty Creator God whilst he was born of a virgin Israelite Hebrew woman as the second Adam as Human yet also divine begotten of the father upon this earth. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, for through him Almighty Creator God then Jesus created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. We see in the scriptures that Jesus is called the rock interestingly we see stated with utter clarity with no ambiguity in 1 Corinthians 10:1 For I would not, brethren have you ignorant, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and we're all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: now the rock - and this is the most important part -was the Christ. This also ties in with all Jesus' teachings in John chapter 6 and to the Samaritans woman at the well and in stating he is the rock; BUILD YOUR HOUSE UPON THE ROCK
MATTHEW 7:15-29
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. Isaiah 8:14-15
Oh God! There is none holy like You. There is none besides You. There is no rock like You, our God.
1 Samuel 2:2 But when we read that in his-story of all truths we initially read that was YHWH. Also Yeshua his very name means Yah is salvation and that he came as announced declared by the angels to the shepherds at his Jesus' Yeshua's birth as ImmanuEL which means God is with us. That Jesus understood when he came as a man the second Adam yet his absolute divine origins and from Heaven yet never ever was a created being that who existing in God's form, counted not the being an equality with God ought to be grasped at, but emptied himself, taking a bondman's (slaves) form, being made in likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, yea death of the cross. Therefore also God highly exalted him, & endowed him with the name above every name; that in the name of Jesus Yeshua (Yah is salvation) every knee should bow, of things in heaven & on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ (Yeshua Yah is salvation) is Lord, to God the father's glory. Philippians 2: 1-12-17
And that as Jesus' words pointed out "Therefore I say unto you [that], the kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth it's fruits. And who falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but in whomever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust. We see throughout the inspired scriptures woven all the way through especially in the new covenant established by and in Jesus Christ and by His precious blood how both Yhwh and Yeshua Jesus seamlessly are entwined and spoken often as one and the same which I do find beautifully fascinating and totally honouring to abba father in heaven and He giving glory to Yeshua as the Son. x
And this why also many of his own people and Jews to this day reject Jesus Yeshua Yah is salvation as do Muslims those of the islamic religion especially see him as only a prophet because both understand that accepting Jesus and whom He is declaring that He is means Allah is not the true Creator God and for the Jews they too understood of course their own language but what Jesus fundamentally was expressing as being revealed in his flesh as the second Adam and hence why they in Jesus' time whist he walked upon this realm & dimension of earth wanted to kill him, because they knew what ultimately he was declaring and saying. Muslims reject Jesus even as a Son because they somehow in their heads think Heavenly father as Creator God had to have sexual relations with a woman to bring forth His Son as a human, truly demonstrating their absolute inability to understand faith and that nothing is impossible with God that He can transfer by His Spirit Hid only begotten without even having to physically touch a woman , which He did, they also reject Jesus because they cannot comprehend him being crucified upon a cross they see that as weakness not grasping which is in the Qur'an about Abraham offering his only son as a sacrifice unto God which was an example of what Heavenly father would do yet He stopped Abraham with his hand in mid air and it was Heavenly Father that then gave and provided the sacrifice of a ram in the thicket in the bush and so He indeed did with His only begotten Son as the only way the truth and the life and only way back to our father in Heaven to be reconciled to Him, and make our peace with Him as the atoning sacrificial crucified Lamb without spot or blemish, perfect in all his ways, tempted tested and tried in every way as a human man the second Adam yet completely faithful to demonstrate that when we receive holy spirit rebirth & via water and holy spirit baptism the life and spirit of Jesus comes to dwell in those His as Christ in you the hope of glory we see this also alluded to as types and shadows of the temple in the previous Covenant explaining how we are created as His living portable tabernacles, now that temple had three components didn't it? Yet it all functioned as one unit. You had the inner courtyard-the body the Holy-the soul-the person, the personality their mind will and emotions, the holy of holies Most Holy-the Spirit. For in God we live move and have our very being & existence Rev 21:3, we as the arks of the covenant - temple as the body of Jesus as the and our head and Heavenly father that we completely humbly submit to in completeness we being the very sanctuary of where God dwells~And what agreement hath God's sanctuary with idols? For we are theibing Gods sanctuary; even as God said that I will dwell in them, and walk; And be their God, and they shall be my people; we see this too in the festival of booths the tent of God we being that tent for where God himself dwells which is fulfilled in Christ Jesus breaking down the wall of partition making is one man in Him.
Wherefore remember, that once ye, the nations in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by what is called Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; that ye were at that season apart from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and with-out God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are become nigh in the blood of the Christ. For HE is our peace, who made both one, and break down the middle wall of the partition having abolished
law of the commandments
contained in ordinances;
that he might create in
himself of the two one new
of the Christ.
For HE is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of the partition in his flesh the enmity, the man, making peace; and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and he came and preached peace to you the far off, and peace to the nigh: because through him we both have the access in one Spirit unto the Father. So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but are fellow citizens with the Saints apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being chief corner stone; in whom every building, fitly framed together, groweth into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom ye also are builded together into a habitation of God in Spirit. Ephesians 2:11-22 see also book of Hebrews brilliant in helping understand spiritual realities only though via Heavenly Father's Holy Spirit.
We also see these phenomenal heavenly understandings via the Holy Spirit within heavenly father's very creation, which testifies all to His Glory forever! In atoms we see it also contains three prominent components protons electrons and neutrons. There are many other examples that you can discover with Heavenly father for yourself. We also have the three witnessing ones in Heaven, the
Blood the Water and the Spirit. Heavenly father, Jesus Christ & God's very Holy Spirit.
Again alluding to the temple Tabernacle which again we are you had the curtain separating the Holy from the Most Holy we see at Jesus' death He fulfilled all in Him we read in Matthew 27:51 And lo, the veil of the temple was rent in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook; and the rocks were rent. So all those who enter by Gods Spirit through being reborn in the Spirit enter into the precious blood covenant of Jesus Yeshua (Yah is salvation) as he is the bridegroom of blood to me! We enter into a holy intimacy as a virgin into a marriage covenant beautifully depicted in Ephesians 5 the heavenly spiritual truths are also realities beheld within this dimension so when a husband becomes one flesh with his wife her most holy her veil (look up Grk for membrane) if you will is torn is rent in two to enter into her to become as one flesh and in holy intimacy holy matrimony but in the spiritual is totally pure with no wrinkle sport nor blemish, not alluding to anything of the carnal corrupt flesh.
Thank you. I have always been troubled by the concept of the trinity, that all three persons are God. How can this be when Jesus said he was doing the will of his Father and my own prayers call the Father the one true God?
When I came across your substack and read the teasers, I thought 'another writer who is trying to lead us astray'.
But, I am searching for answers, and know I cannot find them with a closed mind, and know the Holy Spirit grants me discernment, which I pray for every day.
So I read this post. 'She is denying Christ's divinity!' I thought, yet I was confused about the message's point; 'what is she really saying?' and thought I may not have read it right. So I read it again the next day.
And it was then that my eyes could see the truth of what you are saying, and my concept of the trinity shifted and became clearer, leaving me with a feeling of peace. The trinity exists, but not in the way we were taught.
I am a little troubled by saying Jesus was the first of creation, preferring the distinction of the word "begotten".
(Arianism rejects the traditional concept of the trinity as three gods in one godhead, and claims that Jesus was created. It was condemned as heresy at Nicaea.)
I'm not really sure how your comment applies to what I said..I've never heard of 'eternally begotten.' I have no idea what it means, Neither did I use the phrase.
I only know the scripture says that Jesus was begotten.. or born of God. If you go through the book of Chronicles and Numbers, the same word is used repeatedly simply to show that a man fathers a son.
The Greek words translated 'only begotten', are not only faithful to the translation from the original Greek, they are translated into 'only begotten' in every one of the 44 or so existing English translations of the Bible, (save for the ISV which uses the word 'unique', which is for all practical purposes meaningless..)
The Russian Bible translated from original Greek texts says 'only begotten', as well.
But finally, the words 'only begotten' fit the context perfectly.
VIZ: When a translation difficulty arises, the best thing to do is check other usages of the word, to verify its meaning.
The word 'Monogenes' is used in John 1:4 as only begotten, and in Hebrews 11:17, where the context is Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac was not only a TEMPLATE of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, but it was emphasized as being monumental, in that he was Abrahams 'ONLY' son (the begotten is also in the verse, but the point is that Isaac was his ONLY son.
I really don't see the problem here. There are 9 uses of 'only begotten' in Scripture and they all paint the same picture.. the ONE child of someone:
Luke 7:12
Luke 8:42
Luke 9:38
John 1:18
John 1:14
John 3:18
John 3:16
I John 4:9
Isaac was never called Abraham's 'unique' son. He was his ONLY son.
Additionally, you correctly quoted that he was conceived by the holy spirit, born of a woman, declared a son and exalted for his obedience. However, you omitted the most important thing ... that God is his father.
Well,…. I cannot agree with this post and its assertions.
Having been raised in a multi-generation Jehovah’s Witness family, I’m quite familiar to the many common reasonings of Arianism
Lots of training stuck, yet by the age of eighteen, I was drawn into chapel services that were quite appealing. My father was aghast and sent other door-knockers to bring me round.
The back and forth, mostly on New Testament proofs for or against Jesus’
divinity, left me a bit unsure. My youth group leader was not seemingly up to the task of having wholly satisfying answers. And books handling topic, focused mostly on NT, and not so much on OT, understandingly.
But a breakthrough occurred for me, when doing a slow read and study of the Book of Isaiah.
So many exclusive claims from a very monotheistic God; “ I alone stretched out the heavens “
‘None before, nor since’
“Only Rock”
“Only Savior”
So, when Jesus (in the eyes of the Jews) “being a mere man, is making himself out to be God,.. they picked up stones to kill Him.
Keep in mind, that the Son that would be born to us would carry some significant titles; Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace. Strange, since there’re attributes and certain standings that God simply does not share.
Numerous other textual clues:“Let Us make man in our image”, and “Let Us confuse their language”. Last book of OT, Malachi, Has God saying, “I will send my messenger (John the Baptist) before Me. Yes, that ‘Me’ would be somehow visiting.
Look at Whom John and Stephen direct their prayers to:
“Come Lord Jesus”& “Lord Jesus receive my spirit”
Ponder long on His stating “I am the Good Shepherd“ (He had clarified that only God is good)
Apostles and Church Fathers are not too hard to follow, in their worship of Christ. Then go back to John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 2.
“Come to me”
“If I be lifted up, I’ll draw all men to myself”
Read Isaiah slow, with pencil and pad, noting where Jesus fits. It is truly remarkable!!
Well, you didn't answer any of the many Scriptures I referenced. Were you unable to explain I Timothy 2:5, ..??
But I'll go ahead and answer one verse that you brought up. Malachi 4:5.. "Behold, I will send Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord."
There is nothing in that verse about God coming Himself.
It does not say, before the terrible day of ME'.. It says 'Of the Lord'.
In fact, Jesus' coming was prophesied in every single book of the old Testament.
Remember Micah 5:2?..one of the most beautiful prophesies of all?
'But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee SHALL -HE- COME FORTH unto me - that is to be ruler in Israel; (Jesus Christ)
WHOSE GOINGS FORTH have been from of old, FROM EVERLASTING.'
John the Baptist - who Malachi was referring to said - 'HE Is coming after me, who was preferred before me'.. Jesus. Jesus came. Nowhere does it say God.
Now answer me this? Are you able to do 'all of God's works?'
Is that not what Jesus said in John 14:12?
Which of them have you done? I would like to hear..
BTW, Jesus said there is ONE good, that is GOD. Clearly intending to distinguish himself from the Father. The Greek word used being 'Kalos' - inherently good.
The Lord was also calling the man on his patronizing the Lord - 'Why callest me good'?
Yet Jesus didn't hesitate to use 'good' (Greek - 'Agathos') when referring to those accepted of him in that day - "Well done, thou GOOD and faithful servant'.
It's not the word 'GOOD' that makes the meaning then, it is the intention of the statement.
The lie of "Jesus' being 'God', which he never declared of himself, is what has made the world the horror that it is, with the sons of satan manifesting all the power.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
John 8:31,32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
It is difficult to let go of indoctrination because it feels safe, so we stay in the boat and never learn to walk with Jesus on the waves of the storm. But in the midst of that storm, as we are being tossed to and fro, if we listen, we can hear the voice of the Lord God calling us, to give him our faith and abide in him. I spent 25 years indoctrinated, I was unsure of my salvation and didn't know the Lord. Six years ago my journey began, little by little I let go. In my brokenness when I felt the most unworthy, I felt the Spirit of the Lord set me free from all of the sin that crushed my soul, that kept me in the darkness. The more I sought the Lord, the more he revealed his truth. Now I have unspeakable joy because I have been set free, forgiven and washed in the blood of the risen Christ.God will magnify his Word, IF we will open our hearts and minds to receive it. So many, myself included, have been members of a congregation who didn't study for ourselves, but were content to be taught. No solid foundation to stand on, a very dangerous place to be. Mindless people depending upon their pastors words to save them.
Your expose of truth is magnificent when you have eyes to see. Thank you Victoria for magnifying Jesus Christ, the Son of the Most High GOD.
Pardon my French but holy guacamole! I thought I knew some stuff but not enough because this post is an eye opener! It makes so much sense but I could never have pieced it together until I read this. So was Jesus literally the new Adam but born solely of a woman? Without him nothing was made but he was made first but not by himself? I understand I need to re read all of this several times because it's so out of left field but it's worth the effort because something about it rings true. I am a child of the 20th century and my brain has been washed squeaky clean. There are questions like if he was created does this make him a creature but if he participated in creation what is his status? There is probably a simple answer to the piles of questions that come up because piles of questions equal a distraction. So what is the spoiler - and maybe I just read it - that one simple retort that will disarm the enemy? Very interesting indeed.
Well, as one lady suggested that I was robbing him of his divinity to say he was the 'son of God', I answered that I wasn't robbing him, I was quoting him.
Jesus knew who he was. God's only begotten son. If that doesn't make him divine!?.. He was also the only man GOd ever raised from the dead. Now, if he was God, he couldn't be 'dead', and raise himself. Meaning, just like 'Good Friday - 3 nights and 3 days in the grave, somehow has him get up on Sunday.. Most Christians don't seem to 'think' about what they believe, because they're more worried about currying favor with someone.. even God.
Frankly, I knew this would be a tough swallow for many. I knew it would be a 'deal breaker' for people who would refuse to reexamine their beliefs. The Trinity is a 'holy grail' for many.
So even if a minister KNEW JEsus was not God, they'd hesitate to put it out there. You have BIble ministers that still have 'Easter' on their web sites, and still say 'Merry Christmas' in December.. because they don't want to lose the pew rents.
Fortunately, the lion's share of my salary is paid by God. Though you couldn't PAY me to lie to you.
I am flexible but guarded about accepting anything new unless it’s backed by logic and Biblical reference. I like how you think. The 3 nights and 3 days were explained away by saying that back then people didn’t think strictly in 24 hour days but sort of days - if it occurred at the end of a day it counted as a day. This is what the guys in the bespoke suits were teaching and still are. Thank you for your time and patience and I look forward to hearing more of what you have to say!
There is hardly a tradition in the Catholic Church (and mainstream Christianity) except that it makes the Bible appear to be ridiculous.
The High Sabbath on which JEsus Christ was crucified, was on a Wednesday after Sundown; which is why the bodies were taken off the crosses.
He rose on a Saturday 3 full days and 3 full nights later. There ARE reseachers and even denominations in the world that teach it correctly. But to stick to Jesuit dogma, and established holidays, most churches preach the impossible - that is, to fit 72 hours between Friday night and Sunday morning.
It’s really no different than their claim that Jesus was born on December 25th, which happens to be a high holiday for devils - associated with the birth of the ‘Sun God’. Mainstream Christiandom is a mess because the vast majority of people identifying as ‘Christians’ are no more than the multitudes that swarmed Jesus. When time came to climb a mountain, or hang around after church to get to the true translations of the Lord’s sayings.. the multitudes were gone like fog at noon. (Matthew 13:11,12 & 36 etc)
Same is true to this day. There is nothing new under the sun.
Well you backed up your post with scripture. It makes sense. But who is the Holy Spirt? So many questions.
That's a loaded question; but the short answer is 'God is Spirit'. The devil has 'spirits'. The spirit that God gives is 'Holy', like He is holy.
He gave spirit to men throughout the ages, so they'd have a mode of communicating with Him. But spirit had been given conditionally, and could be removed for disobedience. David feared losing his spirit, and pleaded with God (Psalm 51) to not take it from him (as He had from King Saul).
BUT.. and this is a big but, spirit became SEED, only after Christ was glorified. (PS God did not glorify Himself, He glorified His son).
On Pentecost was the first in history outpouring of this holy spirit. Men were BORN of holy spirit. It's not 'salvation', but it follows salvation, and is called the fire baptism.
Spirit is power. (Acts 1:8) When we have holy spirit, we can operate that power, which is why the devil went to great lengths to make Jesus GOD, so that the whole story falls to pieces.
IF Jesus was GOD, he could not have been 'dead', and raised himself. But we all fell for it, since, the longer a lie is repeated, the more people refuse to believe they're believing a lie.
Having holy spirit is what it means to be 'born again', because it is permanent seed born within. Whew... that's all for now!
God bless you Maria!
I appreciate the time it took to answer my question because I think nobody asks this question ever. Thank you.
I love that you have an open mind to ask questions and search for truth.
But I am not saved.
Exodus 34 ~2 Corinthians 3:14-16
I could go on and on Heavenly father Then God said, "Let there be light; and there was light." You see again spiritual heavenly realities manifest into the physical. https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_being_the_light_of_the_world
Indeed yes! Which is how 'Words' (invisible matter) made THINGS - physical matter. And conversely, how THINGS (according to Romans 1:20) make invisible things (spiritual) VISIBLE. Haha.
I have also mused how the first thing Elohim is recorded as 'Saying' in Genesis 1, is 'Let there be light'.. For.. how can He speak EXCEPT LIGHT BE? (The entrance of Thy Words giveth Light).
Marvelous stuff eh?
You may find some fascinating insights Victoria in a book called The bodies of God and the world of ancient Israel by Benjamin D. Sommer. x
Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. The exact representation of Almighty Creator God whilst he was born of a virgin Israelite Hebrew woman as the second Adam as Human yet also divine begotten of the father upon this earth. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, for through him Almighty Creator God then Jesus created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. We see in the scriptures that Jesus is called the rock interestingly we see stated with utter clarity with no ambiguity in 1 Corinthians 10:1 For I would not, brethren have you ignorant, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and we're all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: now the rock - and this is the most important part -was the Christ. This also ties in with all Jesus' teachings in John chapter 6 and to the Samaritans woman at the well and in stating he is the rock; BUILD YOUR HOUSE UPON THE ROCK
MATTHEW 7:15-29
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. Isaiah 8:14-15
Oh God! There is none holy like You. There is none besides You. There is no rock like You, our God.
1 Samuel 2:2 But when we read that in his-story of all truths we initially read that was YHWH. Also Yeshua his very name means Yah is salvation and that he came as announced declared by the angels to the shepherds at his Jesus' Yeshua's birth as ImmanuEL which means God is with us. That Jesus understood when he came as a man the second Adam yet his absolute divine origins and from Heaven yet never ever was a created being that who existing in God's form, counted not the being an equality with God ought to be grasped at, but emptied himself, taking a bondman's (slaves) form, being made in likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, yea death of the cross. Therefore also God highly exalted him, & endowed him with the name above every name; that in the name of Jesus Yeshua (Yah is salvation) every knee should bow, of things in heaven & on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ (Yeshua Yah is salvation) is Lord, to God the father's glory. Philippians 2: 1-12-17
And that as Jesus' words pointed out "Therefore I say unto you [that], the kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth it's fruits. And who falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but in whomever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust. We see throughout the inspired scriptures woven all the way through especially in the new covenant established by and in Jesus Christ and by His precious blood how both Yhwh and Yeshua Jesus seamlessly are entwined and spoken often as one and the same which I do find beautifully fascinating and totally honouring to abba father in heaven and He giving glory to Yeshua as the Son. x
Matthew 21:44
And this why also many of his own people and Jews to this day reject Jesus Yeshua Yah is salvation as do Muslims those of the islamic religion especially see him as only a prophet because both understand that accepting Jesus and whom He is declaring that He is means Allah is not the true Creator God and for the Jews they too understood of course their own language but what Jesus fundamentally was expressing as being revealed in his flesh as the second Adam and hence why they in Jesus' time whist he walked upon this realm & dimension of earth wanted to kill him, because they knew what ultimately he was declaring and saying. Muslims reject Jesus even as a Son because they somehow in their heads think Heavenly father as Creator God had to have sexual relations with a woman to bring forth His Son as a human, truly demonstrating their absolute inability to understand faith and that nothing is impossible with God that He can transfer by His Spirit Hid only begotten without even having to physically touch a woman , which He did, they also reject Jesus because they cannot comprehend him being crucified upon a cross they see that as weakness not grasping which is in the Qur'an about Abraham offering his only son as a sacrifice unto God which was an example of what Heavenly father would do yet He stopped Abraham with his hand in mid air and it was Heavenly Father that then gave and provided the sacrifice of a ram in the thicket in the bush and so He indeed did with His only begotten Son as the only way the truth and the life and only way back to our father in Heaven to be reconciled to Him, and make our peace with Him as the atoning sacrificial crucified Lamb without spot or blemish, perfect in all his ways, tempted tested and tried in every way as a human man the second Adam yet completely faithful to demonstrate that when we receive holy spirit rebirth & via water and holy spirit baptism the life and spirit of Jesus comes to dwell in those His as Christ in you the hope of glory we see this also alluded to as types and shadows of the temple in the previous Covenant explaining how we are created as His living portable tabernacles, now that temple had three components didn't it? Yet it all functioned as one unit. You had the inner courtyard-the body the Holy-the soul-the person, the personality their mind will and emotions, the holy of holies Most Holy-the Spirit. For in God we live move and have our very being & existence Rev 21:3, we as the arks of the covenant - temple as the body of Jesus as the and our head and Heavenly father that we completely humbly submit to in completeness we being the very sanctuary of where God dwells~And what agreement hath God's sanctuary with idols? For we are theibing Gods sanctuary; even as God said that I will dwell in them, and walk; And be their God, and they shall be my people; we see this too in the festival of booths the tent of God we being that tent for where God himself dwells which is fulfilled in Christ Jesus breaking down the wall of partition making is one man in Him.
Wherefore remember, that once ye, the nations in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by what is called Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; that ye were at that season apart from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and with-out God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are become nigh in the blood of the Christ. For HE is our peace, who made both one, and break down the middle wall of the partition having abolished
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For HE is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of the partition in his flesh the enmity, the man, making peace; and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and he came and preached peace to you the far off, and peace to the nigh: because through him we both have the access in one Spirit unto the Father. So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but are fellow citizens with the Saints apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being chief corner stone; in whom every building, fitly framed together, groweth into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom ye also are builded together into a habitation of God in Spirit. Ephesians 2:11-22 see also book of Hebrews brilliant in helping understand spiritual realities only though via Heavenly Father's Holy Spirit.
We also see these phenomenal heavenly understandings via the Holy Spirit within heavenly father's very creation, which testifies all to His Glory forever! In atoms we see it also contains three prominent components protons electrons and neutrons. There are many other examples that you can discover with Heavenly father for yourself. We also have the three witnessing ones in Heaven, the
Blood the Water and the Spirit. Heavenly father, Jesus Christ & God's very Holy Spirit.
Again alluding to the temple Tabernacle which again we are you had the curtain separating the Holy from the Most Holy we see at Jesus' death He fulfilled all in Him we read in Matthew 27:51 And lo, the veil of the temple was rent in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook; and the rocks were rent. So all those who enter by Gods Spirit through being reborn in the Spirit enter into the precious blood covenant of Jesus Yeshua (Yah is salvation) as he is the bridegroom of blood to me! We enter into a holy intimacy as a virgin into a marriage covenant beautifully depicted in Ephesians 5 the heavenly spiritual truths are also realities beheld within this dimension so when a husband becomes one flesh with his wife her most holy her veil (look up Grk for membrane) if you will is torn is rent in two to enter into her to become as one flesh and in holy intimacy holy matrimony but in the spiritual is totally pure with no wrinkle sport nor blemish, not alluding to anything of the carnal corrupt flesh.
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Thank you. I have always been troubled by the concept of the trinity, that all three persons are God. How can this be when Jesus said he was doing the will of his Father and my own prayers call the Father the one true God?
When I came across your substack and read the teasers, I thought 'another writer who is trying to lead us astray'.
But, I am searching for answers, and know I cannot find them with a closed mind, and know the Holy Spirit grants me discernment, which I pray for every day.
So I read this post. 'She is denying Christ's divinity!' I thought, yet I was confused about the message's point; 'what is she really saying?' and thought I may not have read it right. So I read it again the next day.
And it was then that my eyes could see the truth of what you are saying, and my concept of the trinity shifted and became clearer, leaving me with a feeling of peace. The trinity exists, but not in the way we were taught.
I am a little troubled by saying Jesus was the first of creation, preferring the distinction of the word "begotten".
(Arianism rejects the traditional concept of the trinity as three gods in one godhead, and claims that Jesus was created. It was condemned as heresy at Nicaea.)
Read Colossians 9-20 very carefully with the Holy spirit at your shoulder and tell me what you see.
The reason that Jesus Christ is called 'begotten' is because he was born of a woman ..but begotten.. not of Joseph, but of God.
Long before he was born,.. he was created.
Both terms are appropriate
Forgive me my ignorance! Which chapter?
In the Chronicles, we see the word 'begotten' and 'to beget' over and over again. It speaks of a man who fathers a son.
Then, we see Jesus called the only begotten Son of God time and again, in the Gospels.
But the place where it speaks of the Lord as the 'first born of all creation' is in Colossians chapter one.
I'm not really sure how your comment applies to what I said..I've never heard of 'eternally begotten.' I have no idea what it means, Neither did I use the phrase.
I only know the scripture says that Jesus was begotten.. or born of God. If you go through the book of Chronicles and Numbers, the same word is used repeatedly simply to show that a man fathers a son.
The Greek words translated 'only begotten', are not only faithful to the translation from the original Greek, they are translated into 'only begotten' in every one of the 44 or so existing English translations of the Bible, (save for the ISV which uses the word 'unique', which is for all practical purposes meaningless..)
The Russian Bible translated from original Greek texts says 'only begotten', as well.
But finally, the words 'only begotten' fit the context perfectly.
VIZ: When a translation difficulty arises, the best thing to do is check other usages of the word, to verify its meaning.
The word 'Monogenes' is used in John 1:4 as only begotten, and in Hebrews 11:17, where the context is Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac was not only a TEMPLATE of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, but it was emphasized as being monumental, in that he was Abrahams 'ONLY' son (the begotten is also in the verse, but the point is that Isaac was his ONLY son.
I really don't see the problem here. There are 9 uses of 'only begotten' in Scripture and they all paint the same picture.. the ONE child of someone:
Luke 7:12
Luke 8:42
Luke 9:38
John 1:18
John 1:14
John 3:18
John 3:16
I John 4:9
Isaac was never called Abraham's 'unique' son. He was his ONLY son.
What is all the fuss about? Δεν καταλαβαίνω!
Additionally, you correctly quoted that he was conceived by the holy spirit, born of a woman, declared a son and exalted for his obedience. However, you omitted the most important thing ... that God is his father.
Well,…. I cannot agree with this post and its assertions.
Having been raised in a multi-generation Jehovah’s Witness family, I’m quite familiar to the many common reasonings of Arianism
Lots of training stuck, yet by the age of eighteen, I was drawn into chapel services that were quite appealing. My father was aghast and sent other door-knockers to bring me round.
The back and forth, mostly on New Testament proofs for or against Jesus’
divinity, left me a bit unsure. My youth group leader was not seemingly up to the task of having wholly satisfying answers. And books handling topic, focused mostly on NT, and not so much on OT, understandingly.
But a breakthrough occurred for me, when doing a slow read and study of the Book of Isaiah.
So many exclusive claims from a very monotheistic God; “ I alone stretched out the heavens “
‘None before, nor since’
“Only Rock”
“Only Savior”
So, when Jesus (in the eyes of the Jews) “being a mere man, is making himself out to be God,.. they picked up stones to kill Him.
Keep in mind, that the Son that would be born to us would carry some significant titles; Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace. Strange, since there’re attributes and certain standings that God simply does not share.
Numerous other textual clues:“Let Us make man in our image”, and “Let Us confuse their language”. Last book of OT, Malachi, Has God saying, “I will send my messenger (John the Baptist) before Me. Yes, that ‘Me’ would be somehow visiting.
Look at Whom John and Stephen direct their prayers to:
“Come Lord Jesus”& “Lord Jesus receive my spirit”
Ponder long on His stating “I am the Good Shepherd“ (He had clarified that only God is good)
Apostles and Church Fathers are not too hard to follow, in their worship of Christ. Then go back to John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 2.
“Come to me”
“If I be lifted up, I’ll draw all men to myself”
Read Isaiah slow, with pencil and pad, noting where Jesus fits. It is truly remarkable!!
Well, you didn't answer any of the many Scriptures I referenced. Were you unable to explain I Timothy 2:5, ..??
But I'll go ahead and answer one verse that you brought up. Malachi 4:5.. "Behold, I will send Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord."
There is nothing in that verse about God coming Himself.
It does not say, before the terrible day of ME'.. It says 'Of the Lord'.
In fact, Jesus' coming was prophesied in every single book of the old Testament.
Remember Micah 5:2?..one of the most beautiful prophesies of all?
'But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee SHALL -HE- COME FORTH unto me - that is to be ruler in Israel; (Jesus Christ)
WHOSE GOINGS FORTH have been from of old, FROM EVERLASTING.'
John the Baptist - who Malachi was referring to said - 'HE Is coming after me, who was preferred before me'.. Jesus. Jesus came. Nowhere does it say God.
Now answer me this? Are you able to do 'all of God's works?'
Is that not what Jesus said in John 14:12?
Which of them have you done? I would like to hear..
PS I have no idea what 'arianism is', though you'd do better to be familiar with the holy spirit.
PS.. if you're going to quote Scripture for your argument, at least be accurate.
Jesus did not say he was God, in John 8:59, when the Pharisees wanted to stone him. He had said,"..Before Abraham was, I am."
He WAS before Abraham!. He was the 'firstborn of all creation'. (Colossians 1:15)
So somebody had to have 'created him'.
But for THIS statement, the PHARISEES claimed he was 'making himself equal to God'.
THEY said so. Jesus never said "I am God'.
PS, I'll wait for your answer to my question about John 14:12.. how many things have you done that God did?
BTW, Jesus said there is ONE good, that is GOD. Clearly intending to distinguish himself from the Father. The Greek word used being 'Kalos' - inherently good.
The Lord was also calling the man on his patronizing the Lord - 'Why callest me good'?
Yet Jesus didn't hesitate to use 'good' (Greek - 'Agathos') when referring to those accepted of him in that day - "Well done, thou GOOD and faithful servant'.
It's not the word 'GOOD' that makes the meaning then, it is the intention of the statement.