My absolute pleasure. I prayed to know the truth about the rapture, as I only knew of the sudden coming of the Lord from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. I never believed in any tribulation rapture until I heard your steadfast belief on this topic. This video literally came shortly after my petition of the Lord, as I wanted confirmation. (Second witness principle). Because I can assure you, this isn't common knowledge. We need to hear from the Lord in these perilous times.
The rapture was added in the early 1800's by Scoffield, Darby and Irving. It pre-empts by design, the directives in the Bible to Subdue, take dominion. preach the Kingdom is HERE, the Glory of the Lord shall light upon you, the Uncut Stone destroys the last of the Babylonian/Beast or Deep State principalities and powers. We have to weigh the fact that too many scriptures have not been fulfilled. He is at present judging the church and the church-judgers, jumping on the exposure of certain Christians who are well known and have failed in a way. Plus, Trump was not saved by the hand of God for no good reason. He was saved to restore America the Beautiful, and we had better ALL be ready to get in the field and do our jobs. Blessings to all in here.
You're wrong of course. Because you don't read the Bible. You would do well to study it yourself with the guidance of the Spirit of Truth (are you born again, baptized in the holy spirit? If so you can do that), and stop believing every one who talks about Scoffield. Yes, he was a devil, but he did not change the entire Bible to add the proof of a Rapture in the Old and New Testament. Did you think God is not able to watch over His Word, that even devils could so alter it? Do you credit the Lord God of Hosts with inability? Indeed.!
When a person is born again that doesn’t mean they can’t be lost. Many people accept Christ only to turn from Him by their actions and lifestyle. I hear people say once saved always saved but that is not scriptural. Also, ILoveliberty is correct. There is a judgement that is taking place in Heaven before Jesus comes back. He’s our Great High Priest! He is coming to bring His reward with Him.
Yes. The Scripture warns that a born again person can jump out of the lifeboat. We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. I have never preached, nor believed, once saved always saved,. It is not in the Book.
At some point in history the error that you went to heaven or hell when you died. That is not scriptural either. If you say you believe in the Bible only you can’t hold to these errors. I keep the 7th day Sabbath because nowhere in scripture was it changed to the first day of the week. I can show you from history who changed it and they tell you in their own words why and how they changed it.
"At some point in history the error that you went to heaven or hell when you died. " Hi Lisa, I'm not sure what that means..
The Scriptures teach that when we die, if we are his, we are sleeping till he wakes us up. Our body returns to dust, the soul is asleep. I have never said anything about going to heaven or hell when we die. The reason you are putting words in my mouth, is that somewhere you read something about what disciples of Scolfield believe. Except I'm not one of them. I study the Bible. Do you?
You said you keep a Sabbath. I don't because the Bible said Jesus fulfilled it for us, and cancelled it. He no longer kept it. Which his why the Pharisees wanted to kill him. People who keep the Sabbath are 'zealous for the law' and judge others on the basis of whether or not they keep it.
This is sin. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for this., BTW, If you keep the Sabbath, do not cook on that day, do not travel on that day, do not do your dishes on that day, and you are also obliged to fulfil all the law; which means animal sacrifice. Do you do that?
I don't know about history, I don't care about history. I read the Scriptures for my doctrine and so should you. God bless and keep you! Christ is coming soon. Love in Him, Victoria
I don’t understand why you seem so angry! Christians should be Christlike in their behavior. If you think I’ve attacked you in any way I apologize. Truly!
I share these things because today a lot of people are trampling God’s law, which the Sabbath is part of. In the New Testament you will never find that God’s law has been done away with. In fact Jesus came to uphold it. It’s what shows us what sin is. It’s our guide to living an upright life. If you throw it away or say it was fulfilled on the cross then you have no mirror to show you your sins.
1 John 2:3-By this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 John 3:4-Sin is the transgression of the law.
Luke 16:17-It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one turtle if the law to fail.
Joh. 14:15-IF you love me keep my commandments.
Matthew 5:17-19-Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
There are so many more than these that I could post.
The law doesn’t save us! It shows us that adultery is wrong, lying, stealing, murder, idolatry, idol worship, coveting what’s not yours, Sabbath keeping. It’s there to guide us on our journey. In the Old Testament there were two types of laws. One was ceremonial with all of the shedding of the blood of animals and explained all the feasts, the other was other was the Ten Commandments written with the finger of God. When Jesus died and became the sacrifice once and for all the ceremonial part of the OT law was done away with. No need for anymore blood sacrifices. That’s the OT law that was nailed to the cross. The NT is so clear that we are to keep God’s 10 commandments. Not that they save us but they point the way for us to live. Without them we are groping in darkness.
Again, there are a lot of people groping g in darkness because they don’t understand the Bible. I’m not debating just sharing.
Jesus coming is audible and loud! 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17! The dreading Christ will rise first and those who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds with them. The rapture is not Biblical! There are scriptures that are taken out of context on this subject. People are afraid of tribulation and end time events so I think we justify this topic in our mind. Jesus will get us through end time events. Also, read scripture in context. Meaning you have to read the whole verse in the context it was written (verses before and after and what the setting was).
I'm trying to get how you understand, Lisa, that Christ will meet us in the clouds, but the meeting in the clouds is not Biblical...? The meeting in the clouds is of the Raptured saints.
The only other time Christ comes down, is to land on the Mount of Olives WITH us and fight the battle of Armageddon. There is no comparison between the 2 events.
“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
Revelation 1:7
“Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye shall see him.
Matthew 24:27
As the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Read Acts 1:9-11 Jesus will return the way He left.
“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
These scriptures tell me clearly that Jesus’ coming will be audible, loud with trumpets, the righteous dead will be raised and then the righteous that are alive will go up after the them. There are a few scriptures that make it sound like there will be a secret disappearance of everyone but you have to read this scriptures in context or you will come to a wrong conclusion.
I'm not sure what the debate is. You have never seen me say the return will be a secret. Again, I think you are projecting presumptions based on Scofield followers beliefs... I have no idea what they believe. I dont' study Scofield.
When people die they don’t go anywhere. They’re asleep until Jesus comes. When He comes the dead will be called out if the graves and then the righteous living will go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I was just quoting scripture.
I’m not trying to debate you! I apologize if it seems that way. I was simply answering you from the Bible only about Jesus coming.
You said “I'm trying to get how you understand, Lisa, that Christ will meet us in the clouds, but the meeting in the clouds is not Biblical...? The meeting in the clouds is of the Raptured saints.”
I was showing scriptures and answering what you said from the Bible alone.
I see where you’re coming from but we must stick to a “thus saith the Lord!” Otherwise we travel down road me (create beliefs) that are not in the Bible.
The Rapture (though not called that) is found throughout the Bible. I'll add another segment to show a selection of the hundreds of verses and a dozen records that mirror a 'Rapture'. The saints in fact are not to be afraid of the Great Tribulation, seeing as that only kicks in when antichrist is in power, whose power .. ours trumps. (no pun intended). We have to go for him to do his stated mission. Or Jesus lied in Luke 10:19. Have you never kicked out devils?
Very good!
My absolute pleasure. I prayed to know the truth about the rapture, as I only knew of the sudden coming of the Lord from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. I never believed in any tribulation rapture until I heard your steadfast belief on this topic. This video literally came shortly after my petition of the Lord, as I wanted confirmation. (Second witness principle). Because I can assure you, this isn't common knowledge. We need to hear from the Lord in these perilous times.
John 6:40……the “Rapture” happens on the Last Day. 🤷♂️
The rapture was added in the early 1800's by Scoffield, Darby and Irving. It pre-empts by design, the directives in the Bible to Subdue, take dominion. preach the Kingdom is HERE, the Glory of the Lord shall light upon you, the Uncut Stone destroys the last of the Babylonian/Beast or Deep State principalities and powers. We have to weigh the fact that too many scriptures have not been fulfilled. He is at present judging the church and the church-judgers, jumping on the exposure of certain Christians who are well known and have failed in a way. Plus, Trump was not saved by the hand of God for no good reason. He was saved to restore America the Beautiful, and we had better ALL be ready to get in the field and do our jobs. Blessings to all in here.
You're wrong of course. Because you don't read the Bible. You would do well to study it yourself with the guidance of the Spirit of Truth (are you born again, baptized in the holy spirit? If so you can do that), and stop believing every one who talks about Scoffield. Yes, he was a devil, but he did not change the entire Bible to add the proof of a Rapture in the Old and New Testament. Did you think God is not able to watch over His Word, that even devils could so alter it? Do you credit the Lord God of Hosts with inability? Indeed.!
When a person is born again that doesn’t mean they can’t be lost. Many people accept Christ only to turn from Him by their actions and lifestyle. I hear people say once saved always saved but that is not scriptural. Also, ILoveliberty is correct. There is a judgement that is taking place in Heaven before Jesus comes back. He’s our Great High Priest! He is coming to bring His reward with Him.
Yes. The Scripture warns that a born again person can jump out of the lifeboat. We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. I have never preached, nor believed, once saved always saved,. It is not in the Book.
Agree!
Revelation 22:12 “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
Which point is driven home by your illusion that Trump is anything but another devil. beholden to the synagogue of satan in Tel Aviv.
At some point in history the error that you went to heaven or hell when you died. That is not scriptural either. If you say you believe in the Bible only you can’t hold to these errors. I keep the 7th day Sabbath because nowhere in scripture was it changed to the first day of the week. I can show you from history who changed it and they tell you in their own words why and how they changed it.
"At some point in history the error that you went to heaven or hell when you died. " Hi Lisa, I'm not sure what that means..
The Scriptures teach that when we die, if we are his, we are sleeping till he wakes us up. Our body returns to dust, the soul is asleep. I have never said anything about going to heaven or hell when we die. The reason you are putting words in my mouth, is that somewhere you read something about what disciples of Scolfield believe. Except I'm not one of them. I study the Bible. Do you?
You said you keep a Sabbath. I don't because the Bible said Jesus fulfilled it for us, and cancelled it. He no longer kept it. Which his why the Pharisees wanted to kill him. People who keep the Sabbath are 'zealous for the law' and judge others on the basis of whether or not they keep it.
This is sin. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for this., BTW, If you keep the Sabbath, do not cook on that day, do not travel on that day, do not do your dishes on that day, and you are also obliged to fulfil all the law; which means animal sacrifice. Do you do that?
I don't know about history, I don't care about history. I read the Scriptures for my doctrine and so should you. God bless and keep you! Christ is coming soon. Love in Him, Victoria
I don’t understand why you seem so angry! Christians should be Christlike in their behavior. If you think I’ve attacked you in any way I apologize. Truly!
I share these things because today a lot of people are trampling God’s law, which the Sabbath is part of. In the New Testament you will never find that God’s law has been done away with. In fact Jesus came to uphold it. It’s what shows us what sin is. It’s our guide to living an upright life. If you throw it away or say it was fulfilled on the cross then you have no mirror to show you your sins.
1 John 2:3-By this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 John 3:4-Sin is the transgression of the law.
Luke 16:17-It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one turtle if the law to fail.
Joh. 14:15-IF you love me keep my commandments.
Matthew 5:17-19-Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
There are so many more than these that I could post.
The law doesn’t save us! It shows us that adultery is wrong, lying, stealing, murder, idolatry, idol worship, coveting what’s not yours, Sabbath keeping. It’s there to guide us on our journey. In the Old Testament there were two types of laws. One was ceremonial with all of the shedding of the blood of animals and explained all the feasts, the other was other was the Ten Commandments written with the finger of God. When Jesus died and became the sacrifice once and for all the ceremonial part of the OT law was done away with. No need for anymore blood sacrifices. That’s the OT law that was nailed to the cross. The NT is so clear that we are to keep God’s 10 commandments. Not that they save us but they point the way for us to live. Without them we are groping in darkness.
Again, there are a lot of people groping g in darkness because they don’t understand the Bible. I’m not debating just sharing.
Jesus coming is audible and loud! 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17! The dreading Christ will rise first and those who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds with them. The rapture is not Biblical! There are scriptures that are taken out of context on this subject. People are afraid of tribulation and end time events so I think we justify this topic in our mind. Jesus will get us through end time events. Also, read scripture in context. Meaning you have to read the whole verse in the context it was written (verses before and after and what the setting was).
I'm trying to get how you understand, Lisa, that Christ will meet us in the clouds, but the meeting in the clouds is not Biblical...? The meeting in the clouds is of the Raptured saints.
The only other time Christ comes down, is to land on the Mount of Olives WITH us and fight the battle of Armageddon. There is no comparison between the 2 events.
I’m not sure why you say it’s not Biblical!
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 says:
“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
Revelation 1:7
“Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye shall see him.
Matthew 24:27
As the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Read Acts 1:9-11 Jesus will return the way He left.
“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
These scriptures tell me clearly that Jesus’ coming will be audible, loud with trumpets, the righteous dead will be raised and then the righteous that are alive will go up after the them. There are a few scriptures that make it sound like there will be a secret disappearance of everyone but you have to read this scriptures in context or you will come to a wrong conclusion.
I'm not sure what the debate is. You have never seen me say the return will be a secret. Again, I think you are projecting presumptions based on Scofield followers beliefs... I have no idea what they believe. I dont' study Scofield.
When people die they don’t go anywhere. They’re asleep until Jesus comes. When He comes the dead will be called out if the graves and then the righteous living will go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I was just quoting scripture.
I’m not trying to debate you! I apologize if it seems that way. I was simply answering you from the Bible only about Jesus coming.
You said “I'm trying to get how you understand, Lisa, that Christ will meet us in the clouds, but the meeting in the clouds is not Biblical...? The meeting in the clouds is of the Raptured saints.”
I was showing scriptures and answering what you said from the Bible alone.
Noah did not have to learn how to swim. He was lifted up from the earth, and the Lord closed the door. The template is the same with the NT Rapture.
I see where you’re coming from but we must stick to a “thus saith the Lord!” Otherwise we travel down road me (create beliefs) that are not in the Bible.
The Rapture (though not called that) is found throughout the Bible. I'll add another segment to show a selection of the hundreds of verses and a dozen records that mirror a 'Rapture'. The saints in fact are not to be afraid of the Great Tribulation, seeing as that only kicks in when antichrist is in power, whose power .. ours trumps. (no pun intended). We have to go for him to do his stated mission. Or Jesus lied in Luke 10:19. Have you never kicked out devils?
Dead in Christ, not dreading! Autocorrect gets on my nerves.