I am also not a fan of the Zionism that dispensationalists support. It is worldly and divisive and people are easily manipulated by believing there is a special plan of salvation for those currently living in Israel when they have nothing what so ever to do with Jacob (Israels) true descendants. Gods chosen people, Israel served as a shadow and type in the OT pointing to the future church of beleivers. We are all now Israel.
Israel has not been gathered by God. Would He gather His people on time for armageddon to destroy them? Does anyone ever read the Book?
He will gather 144,000 Israelites AFTER armageddon., Until then, they are on earth, marked by His angels and set aside - preserved from the evil years the rest of the earth will endure.
Once God gathers His own, they will live in 'peace and safety' for 1000 years, with Christ as King. Has anyone seen anything remotely resembling that?
Israel is not the Church. The Church is not Israel. Paul cleared that up in Romans 11.
Israel is Israel; They will be here on earth for the Apocalypse. The small Church that made it to the very narrow gate, will not be here. The Rapture has nothing to do with Israel, and no matter what it is called, the Scriptures are patently clear - OT and NT, of the pattern of a 'removal' of God's people from earth - before the wrath begins.
Covenant or reformed theologists see the entire Old Testament as pointing to Christ. They view the OT through the lens of the NT. They view God's promise to Abraham as fulfilled through Christ. Covenant theologists view eschatology in a historical amillenial view. The biggest issue is how Daniels Chap 9, 70 weeks (490 year) prophecy is interpreted. Covenant theologists view the 70 weeks as pointing to the Messiah's resurrection. Dispensationalists cut off the 490 years at 483 years and take those 7 years left and put it 1500 years into the future and claim it's about the antichrist. Seriously! Dispensationalism was born out of the counterreformation by Jesuit influence (Bellarmine, Rabira, Lacuna), was picked up in England in the 1800s by theosophists and then transported by evangelicals to the US. Covenant theology was the predominant view during the reformation and onward until dispensationalism with its horrendous Scofield bible infiltrated the churches.
The biggest problem remains that most people calling themselves Christians, resemble the multitudes of Christ's day on earth, who never went to the Lord and asked him questions. The whole of Matthew 13 explains the difference between the multitudes, who Jesus said were not given the secrets of the kingdom of Heaven, and the disciples, who were. The only one who has the right and ability to teach the Scriptures is the holy spirit, that the Lord sent to lead us in all truth. WIthout being baptized in that spirit, which the vast majority of church goers are not, believing only in the 'baptism of John, they are become the blind, being led by the blind. Scoffiield was a devil yes, yet just like the devil himself, he was using twisting truth itself, or no one would have paid him any mind. The error is in throwing out the baby with the bath water.
So much that could be gone into here but the way of man and intellectualism is not the way of heavenly father or His holy spirit, but what you are actually describing would partly come under Covenant theology & not dispensationalism.
Basically Covenant theology as seen in the the scriptures and then dispensationalism are both frameworks for understanding God's dealings with humanity throughout history, but they differ significantly in their interpretations of the Old Testament or old covenant and the relationship between Israel and the church. Covenant theology emphasizes continuity between the Old and New Testaments, viewing God's actions as governed by covenants that span both periods. Dispensationalism, on the other hand, stresses discontinuity, seeing distinct "dispensations" or stages of God's interaction with humanity, with a unique future role for Israel separate from the church. Hope that helps? To me it's heavenly father, Jesus & the holy spirit that leads us and guides us into all truth.
Thogh this article may also help in answering your questions and broadening your understanding about the difference between covenant theology & dispensationalism?:
I refuse to be categorized. What I believe of the Scriptures is as the holy spirit teaches. People complicate everything. The Church did not begin in Genesis. Genesis 3:15 prophesied of the savior, who was orginally sent to Israel. They rejected him and the entire coventant with Israel is held in abeyance until the age of the Gentiles ends. Yes, a dispensation will end, according to Scriptures. The Church, which is the body of Christ, was a mystery hidden in God until it was revealed to the apostle Paul. That means - it could not have been known since Genesis 3:15; In fact, if the princes of this world had only known about the Church.. they would not have killed the Lord of Glory. The Church was born on the day of Pentecost, when men - Jews first, later Gentiles too, became filled with holy spirit, and one body with Christ as the head. That there is just one head of the body of Christ, in a nutshell, is what is lacking; and why there are so many thousands of denominations, each with their own theology.
Indeed it is only those truly born & indwelt of the spirit whom are not divisive nor divided but truly as Jesus prayed to be united in the Spirit in mind in thought and heart as one unit one body in Christ Jesus as the head, who don't need to have endless debates, nor argue, nor hold to personal pet opinions these being dominated by their carnal flesh still, what many do not realise is we live amongst a sea of disobedience & those holding onto theological stance especially of men's thinking conjured up in the intellectual mind of a blend of Gods aids from the scriptures & man's words having eaten of & from the tree of knowledge rather than allowing God's holy Spirit to affect every part of their being, & many of those in that way holding to a certain theological stance believe that somehow saves them, but those of the spirit become as little children like Jesus said, having no pride, humbled & constantly hungering & thirsting after Him knowing they are blessed for they will be filled, understanding only Almighty Creator God & as abba father is all knowing, all powerful & is God, Jesus said he is THE teacher the shepherd of his sheep's souls & those His sheep hear from the living God & the Holy Spirit as an internal compass constantly leading & guiding them then are matured into the fullness of the measure of the stature of Christ, & conforming into his same character image & likeness and bring forth mature ripe sumptuous fruits that befits their repentance & God's righteousness in and through them, whom are walking according to the spirit and it is indeed by their fruits they will they be known. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” Jeremiah 31:33-34; Isaiah 54:13; Hebrews 8:8-11
If all are truly following the real Jesus and indwelt by him and the Spirit would realise they hold to errors that displease the Lord, because they would indeed hear him telling them. And would not hold on to all the traditions and thoughts of men when it comes to divine Godly truth. Heavenly father would purify them, it's not about us all becoming perfectly trained or od the knowledge in itself but the teachings of our father in heaven are here to achieve His purposes & make a person able to walk according to the Spirit and so please God. Many are comfortable in their false blending of truth and error & may lack discernment as Jesus shows us that even in the early body as the ekklesia even there they were poor blind wretched and naked. The entire faith is being propagated by gross disobedience with countless denominations and many who are called Christians who are actually walking in darkness, and are disqualified, and desire that others could only see their point of view when on actuality are speaking idle words and wul be made to give an account for yo Jesus on judgement day. Many think it is their duty to expose theological errors while they themselves are fraught with theological error as a beam in their own eye. Hold to their particular stance as their whole life ax their very security blanket, when they would do well to abandon their belief systems engineered by man to never bear fruit and designed by satan to deceive them that they are saved, there are those who love darkness who say though that they are the purveyors of the light. There are those who hate God but week after week they sing songs of praise & adoration to him & in vain. There are those who say God is their father but really the devil is, there are those who will hate you if you try to correct them and don't want to hear it. They won't hear it and can't hear it, and yet may imagine they are contending for the faith. Who stands on the moral high ground? This is the way of the Pharisees scribes and Saducees, like unjust lawyers. Yet are disobedient to God and yet rejecting Jesus.
The signs of spiritual sickness & death that they cannot even see as Jesus warned us. The truth is so dreadful many can't and don't want to see it or refuse to see it, many want to be comfortable and I don't want to speak against anyone whom is truly God's child, in the grace of God Jesus tells us that the lamp of the body is the eye; when the eye is single, the whole body also is of light, but when it is evil, the whole body is also of darkness. Look therefore wether the light in there be not darkness. If therefore your, whole body be of light, having no part dark, it shall be wholly of light, as when the lamp with it's bright shining lights you. Luke 11:34-36
In fact, as some assert.. is the baptism in the holy spirit referred to as the oil in the lamps of Matthew 25?
Oil in the bible always being representative of holy spirit which explains all the annointings with oil
You might like my podcast on the history of drugs and control by government here:
https://open.substack.com/pub/soberchristiangentlemanpodcast/p/true-drug-history-a-means-of-control?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=31s3eo
I am also not a fan of the Zionism that dispensationalists support. It is worldly and divisive and people are easily manipulated by believing there is a special plan of salvation for those currently living in Israel when they have nothing what so ever to do with Jacob (Israels) true descendants. Gods chosen people, Israel served as a shadow and type in the OT pointing to the future church of beleivers. We are all now Israel.
zionism and satanism are the same.
Israel has not been gathered by God. Would He gather His people on time for armageddon to destroy them? Does anyone ever read the Book?
He will gather 144,000 Israelites AFTER armageddon., Until then, they are on earth, marked by His angels and set aside - preserved from the evil years the rest of the earth will endure.
Once God gathers His own, they will live in 'peace and safety' for 1000 years, with Christ as King. Has anyone seen anything remotely resembling that?
Israel is not the Church. The Church is not Israel. Paul cleared that up in Romans 11.
Israel is Israel; They will be here on earth for the Apocalypse. The small Church that made it to the very narrow gate, will not be here. The Rapture has nothing to do with Israel, and no matter what it is called, the Scriptures are patently clear - OT and NT, of the pattern of a 'removal' of God's people from earth - before the wrath begins.
Reformers believe this has already happened.
Covenant or reformed theologists see the entire Old Testament as pointing to Christ. They view the OT through the lens of the NT. They view God's promise to Abraham as fulfilled through Christ. Covenant theologists view eschatology in a historical amillenial view. The biggest issue is how Daniels Chap 9, 70 weeks (490 year) prophecy is interpreted. Covenant theologists view the 70 weeks as pointing to the Messiah's resurrection. Dispensationalists cut off the 490 years at 483 years and take those 7 years left and put it 1500 years into the future and claim it's about the antichrist. Seriously! Dispensationalism was born out of the counterreformation by Jesuit influence (Bellarmine, Rabira, Lacuna), was picked up in England in the 1800s by theosophists and then transported by evangelicals to the US. Covenant theology was the predominant view during the reformation and onward until dispensationalism with its horrendous Scofield bible infiltrated the churches.
The biggest problem remains that most people calling themselves Christians, resemble the multitudes of Christ's day on earth, who never went to the Lord and asked him questions. The whole of Matthew 13 explains the difference between the multitudes, who Jesus said were not given the secrets of the kingdom of Heaven, and the disciples, who were. The only one who has the right and ability to teach the Scriptures is the holy spirit, that the Lord sent to lead us in all truth. WIthout being baptized in that spirit, which the vast majority of church goers are not, believing only in the 'baptism of John, they are become the blind, being led by the blind. Scoffiield was a devil yes, yet just like the devil himself, he was using twisting truth itself, or no one would have paid him any mind. The error is in throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Agree
So much that could be gone into here but the way of man and intellectualism is not the way of heavenly father or His holy spirit, but what you are actually describing would partly come under Covenant theology & not dispensationalism.
And what is your definition of dispensationalism? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the debate.
Basically Covenant theology as seen in the the scriptures and then dispensationalism are both frameworks for understanding God's dealings with humanity throughout history, but they differ significantly in their interpretations of the Old Testament or old covenant and the relationship between Israel and the church. Covenant theology emphasizes continuity between the Old and New Testaments, viewing God's actions as governed by covenants that span both periods. Dispensationalism, on the other hand, stresses discontinuity, seeing distinct "dispensations" or stages of God's interaction with humanity, with a unique future role for Israel separate from the church. Hope that helps? To me it's heavenly father, Jesus & the holy spirit that leads us and guides us into all truth.
Thogh this article may also help in answering your questions and broadening your understanding about the difference between covenant theology & dispensationalism?:
https://christoverall.com/article/concise/dispensational-and-covenant-theology/
I refuse to be categorized. What I believe of the Scriptures is as the holy spirit teaches. People complicate everything. The Church did not begin in Genesis. Genesis 3:15 prophesied of the savior, who was orginally sent to Israel. They rejected him and the entire coventant with Israel is held in abeyance until the age of the Gentiles ends. Yes, a dispensation will end, according to Scriptures. The Church, which is the body of Christ, was a mystery hidden in God until it was revealed to the apostle Paul. That means - it could not have been known since Genesis 3:15; In fact, if the princes of this world had only known about the Church.. they would not have killed the Lord of Glory. The Church was born on the day of Pentecost, when men - Jews first, later Gentiles too, became filled with holy spirit, and one body with Christ as the head. That there is just one head of the body of Christ, in a nutshell, is what is lacking; and why there are so many thousands of denominations, each with their own theology.
Indeed it is only those truly born & indwelt of the spirit whom are not divisive nor divided but truly as Jesus prayed to be united in the Spirit in mind in thought and heart as one unit one body in Christ Jesus as the head, who don't need to have endless debates, nor argue, nor hold to personal pet opinions these being dominated by their carnal flesh still, what many do not realise is we live amongst a sea of disobedience & those holding onto theological stance especially of men's thinking conjured up in the intellectual mind of a blend of Gods aids from the scriptures & man's words having eaten of & from the tree of knowledge rather than allowing God's holy Spirit to affect every part of their being, & many of those in that way holding to a certain theological stance believe that somehow saves them, but those of the spirit become as little children like Jesus said, having no pride, humbled & constantly hungering & thirsting after Him knowing they are blessed for they will be filled, understanding only Almighty Creator God & as abba father is all knowing, all powerful & is God, Jesus said he is THE teacher the shepherd of his sheep's souls & those His sheep hear from the living God & the Holy Spirit as an internal compass constantly leading & guiding them then are matured into the fullness of the measure of the stature of Christ, & conforming into his same character image & likeness and bring forth mature ripe sumptuous fruits that befits their repentance & God's righteousness in and through them, whom are walking according to the spirit and it is indeed by their fruits they will they be known. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” Jeremiah 31:33-34; Isaiah 54:13; Hebrews 8:8-11
If all are truly following the real Jesus and indwelt by him and the Spirit would realise they hold to errors that displease the Lord, because they would indeed hear him telling them. And would not hold on to all the traditions and thoughts of men when it comes to divine Godly truth. Heavenly father would purify them, it's not about us all becoming perfectly trained or od the knowledge in itself but the teachings of our father in heaven are here to achieve His purposes & make a person able to walk according to the Spirit and so please God. Many are comfortable in their false blending of truth and error & may lack discernment as Jesus shows us that even in the early body as the ekklesia even there they were poor blind wretched and naked. The entire faith is being propagated by gross disobedience with countless denominations and many who are called Christians who are actually walking in darkness, and are disqualified, and desire that others could only see their point of view when on actuality are speaking idle words and wul be made to give an account for yo Jesus on judgement day. Many think it is their duty to expose theological errors while they themselves are fraught with theological error as a beam in their own eye. Hold to their particular stance as their whole life ax their very security blanket, when they would do well to abandon their belief systems engineered by man to never bear fruit and designed by satan to deceive them that they are saved, there are those who love darkness who say though that they are the purveyors of the light. There are those who hate God but week after week they sing songs of praise & adoration to him & in vain. There are those who say God is their father but really the devil is, there are those who will hate you if you try to correct them and don't want to hear it. They won't hear it and can't hear it, and yet may imagine they are contending for the faith. Who stands on the moral high ground? This is the way of the Pharisees scribes and Saducees, like unjust lawyers. Yet are disobedient to God and yet rejecting Jesus.
The signs of spiritual sickness & death that they cannot even see as Jesus warned us. The truth is so dreadful many can't and don't want to see it or refuse to see it, many want to be comfortable and I don't want to speak against anyone whom is truly God's child, in the grace of God Jesus tells us that the lamp of the body is the eye; when the eye is single, the whole body also is of light, but when it is evil, the whole body is also of darkness. Look therefore wether the light in there be not darkness. If therefore your, whole body be of light, having no part dark, it shall be wholly of light, as when the lamp with it's bright shining lights you. Luke 11:34-36
Exactly!
Excellent article.
What do you know about Holy Spirit?
Are you baptized in the Holy Spirit?
Do you speak in tongues? (which is the Biblical evidence and inly proof of the spirit within)
Do you operate the nine manifestations of holy spirit?
Going to send you a personal message to answer your questions if you are genuinely interested & asking or are you actually accusing?